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		By: dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2024 03:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348559&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for uploading these sets!

Probably makes  sense to add the BSDisc stuff as an additional folder rather than merging because there are a few other differences.

The BSDisc set has some extra readmes and is missing the combined tgz files for the sets along with a bunch of stuff that was included in the security dist set in addition to crypt: su, ftpd, lock, login, passwd etc. and other tools on that required userland authentication that defaulted to using crypt.

I&#039;m also pretty sure the mirrored copy reflected the original ftp upload of NetBSD 0.9 on 8/23/93 with regard to gsrc09.024 being corrupted.  There&#039;s a FIXED file on the InfoMagic BSDisc gsrc directory from the corrected later reupload.  See https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.bsd/c/i_6WXCHfIRw/m/USqJyXhs1VcJ.

Just thought it was interesting.  There&#039;s supposed to a Transameritech Release 3 cd from around April 94 that also had NetBSD 0.9 but I&#039;m sure it omitted the security stuff too.  Would be interesting to compare to the others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348559">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for uploading these sets!</p>
<p>Probably makes  sense to add the BSDisc stuff as an additional folder rather than merging because there are a few other differences.</p>
<p>The BSDisc set has some extra readmes and is missing the combined tgz files for the sets along with a bunch of stuff that was included in the security dist set in addition to crypt: su, ftpd, lock, login, passwd etc. and other tools on that required userland authentication that defaulted to using crypt.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also pretty sure the mirrored copy reflected the original ftp upload of NetBSD 0.9 on 8/23/93 with regard to gsrc09.024 being corrupted.  There&#8217;s a FIXED file on the InfoMagic BSDisc gsrc directory from the corrected later reupload.  See <a href="https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.bsd/c/i_6WXCHfIRw/m/USqJyXhs1VcJ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.bsd/c/i_6WXCHfIRw/m/USqJyXhs1VcJ</a>.</p>
<p>Just thought it was interesting.  There&#8217;s supposed to a Transameritech Release 3 cd from around April 94 that also had NetBSD 0.9 but I&#8217;m sure it omitted the security stuff too.  Would be interesting to compare to the others.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2024 10:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348554&quot;&gt;tj&lt;/a&gt;.

wow I didn&#039;t realise that! yeah for sure got to update stuff then!

I didnt know it was missing stuff back in the day I wonder if I had a better snapshot or what.  

Thanks for posting here to let me know I&#039;d probably have missed it otherwise!]]></description>
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<p>wow I didn&#8217;t realise that! yeah for sure got to update stuff then!</p>
<p>I didnt know it was missing stuff back in the day I wonder if I had a better snapshot or what.  </p>
<p>Thanks for posting here to let me know I&#8217;d probably have missed it otherwise!</p>
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		By: tj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2024 09:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348308&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, and everyone involved in the effort, for preserving bits of our history of computing.

I left a comment on an older post almost 8 years ago on the broken gsrc09 directory of NetBSD-0.9 where the file fragment numbered 024 was cut short, and 025~026 were missing. They are missing here, too.

I then discovered the &quot;Infomagic BSDisc Volume 1 Number 1&quot; dump you stored on archive.org, which actually included an export (non-US, no crypt(3)) version of NetBSD-0.9 files. Everything there was extracted with no problem and seems to be genuine and original.

The path on the CD-ROM is /mirror/NetBSD-0.9/source/gsrc09.

For completeness it would be nice if you could update your IA NetBSD archive using infomagic-1-1-93.iso as the source.

Keep archiving, keep saving!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348308">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, and everyone involved in the effort, for preserving bits of our history of computing.</p>
<p>I left a comment on an older post almost 8 years ago on the broken gsrc09 directory of NetBSD-0.9 where the file fragment numbered 024 was cut short, and 025~026 were missing. They are missing here, too.</p>
<p>I then discovered the &#8220;Infomagic BSDisc Volume 1 Number 1&#8221; dump you stored on archive.org, which actually included an export (non-US, no crypt(3)) version of NetBSD-0.9 files. Everything there was extracted with no problem and seems to be genuine and original.</p>
<p>The path on the CD-ROM is /mirror/NetBSD-0.9/source/gsrc09.</p>
<p>For completeness it would be nice if you could update your IA NetBSD archive using infomagic-1-1-93.iso as the source.</p>
<p>Keep archiving, keep saving!</p>
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		By: raijinkai		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raijinkai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2024 17:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348362&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

PD: Modern ISP networks and offers are tuned for consumption of multimedia content, not for sharing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348362">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>PD: Modern ISP networks and offers are tuned for consumption of multimedia content, not for sharing.</p>
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		By: raijinkai		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raijinkai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2024 17:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348362&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Torrents were going to be the way of the future where everyone could ‘do their part’ even a 64kb/capped stream from a bunch of people would help&quot; 

Problem is mostly with ISPs. Many of them don&#039;t offer flat prices anymore (and many of them are copying mobile network tactics and their &quot;GB packs&quot;) so you can&#039;t afford to share anymore. And were them still offer flat monthly prices, they don&#039;t offer synchronous speeds even in SBS packs, capping upload speeds sometimes to 1:4, 1:8 or 1:10 ratios.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348362">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Torrents were going to be the way of the future where everyone could ‘do their part’ even a 64kb/capped stream from a bunch of people would help&#8221; </p>
<p>Problem is mostly with ISPs. Many of them don&#8217;t offer flat prices anymore (and many of them are copying mobile network tactics and their &#8220;GB packs&#8221;) so you can&#8217;t afford to share anymore. And were them still offer flat monthly prices, they don&#8217;t offer synchronous speeds even in SBS packs, capping upload speeds sometimes to 1:4, 1:8 or 1:10 ratios.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2024 11:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348331&quot;&gt;Random&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess whoever has cheap CDN&#039;s these days. I know archive.org has some big stuff, but torrents were going to be the way of the future where everyone could &#039;do their part&#039; even a 64kb/capped stream from a bunch of people would help, but sadly we don&#039;t seem to live in that world.

Cloudflare has &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cloudflare.com/application-services/products/cdn/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;CDN&lt;/a&gt; but I think its more for images.

&lt;a href=&quot;https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/cdn/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Azure starts at $0.08 USD a gig&lt;/a&gt;, so no doubt it&#039;d be expensive..  I guess the foundation can beg for cheaper pricing or some parternship but that&#039;s way out of my hands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348331">Random</a>.</p>
<p>I guess whoever has cheap CDN&#8217;s these days. I know archive.org has some big stuff, but torrents were going to be the way of the future where everyone could &#8216;do their part&#8217; even a 64kb/capped stream from a bunch of people would help, but sadly we don&#8217;t seem to live in that world.</p>
<p>Cloudflare has <a href="https://www.cloudflare.com/application-services/products/cdn/" rel="nofollow ugc">CDN</a> but I think its more for images.</p>
<p><a href="https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/cdn/" rel="nofollow ugc">Azure starts at $0.08 USD a gig</a>, so no doubt it&#8217;d be expensive..  I guess the foundation can beg for cheaper pricing or some parternship but that&#8217;s way out of my hands.</p>
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		By: Random		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2024 05:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m wondering if TUHS could or would help out with this? They have a whole rsync infrastructure of their own set up and (I think?) would be used to taking the hit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering if TUHS could or would help out with this? They have a whole rsync infrastructure of their own set up and (I think?) would be used to taking the hit.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2024 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348307&quot;&gt;Mark Saad&lt;/a&gt;.

awesome, thanks!!! Glad this didn&#039;t get disappeared again!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2024/01/03/in-some-weird-twist-almost-all-the-old-netbsd-source-code-is-gone-again/comment-page-1/#comment-348307">Mark Saad</a>.</p>
<p>awesome, thanks!!! Glad this didn&#8217;t get disappeared again!</p>
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		By: Mark Saad		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Saad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2024 18:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have added them to the NYC*BUG Mirror service

https://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-archive/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have added them to the NYC*BUG Mirror service</p>
<p><a href="https://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-archive/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-archive/</a></p>
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