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		By: neozeed		</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyfun.com/2023/07/24/joining-nt-4-to-a-samba-domain-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-335260</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 09:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2023/07/24/joining-nt-4-to-a-samba-domain-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-335146&quot;&gt;Bert&lt;/a&gt;.

if all the vendors didn&#039;t kill their 6to4 support ipv6 would work nicely too, but that is long dead.  There is source for the NT 4 stack, although itd require porting, and I&#039;m not all that sure about that!  Just renting a registered ip address was much easier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2023/07/24/joining-nt-4-to-a-samba-domain-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-335146">Bert</a>.</p>
<p>if all the vendors didn&#8217;t kill their 6to4 support ipv6 would work nicely too, but that is long dead.  There is source for the NT 4 stack, although itd require porting, and I&#8217;m not all that sure about that!  Just renting a registered ip address was much easier.</p>
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		By: Bert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 14:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another solution to the NAT issue could be the microsoft research ipv6 stack for nt4/win2k, although there&#039;s no precompiled version for alpha. I don&#039;t seem to have a ddk for win2k and not sure if a version compiled with the nt4 ddk will work (it certainly wont support axp64 but it should work on alpha).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another solution to the NAT issue could be the microsoft research ipv6 stack for nt4/win2k, although there&#8217;s no precompiled version for alpha. I don&#8217;t seem to have a ddk for win2k and not sure if a version compiled with the nt4 ddk will work (it certainly wont support axp64 but it should work on alpha).</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2023 21:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2023/07/24/joining-nt-4-to-a-samba-domain-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-334975&quot;&gt;Deposite Pirate&lt;/a&gt;.

I was able to map drives but I wanted the Domain controller ability as I add users for the porting party I don’t want to deal with Linux and NT accounts all over the place.  I did like that the Linux VM can have a registered IP so I don’t have to deal with VPNs or NAT.  Since the compilers only run on 32bit Alpha NT, I sadly don’t have much choice]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2023/07/24/joining-nt-4-to-a-samba-domain-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-334975">Deposite Pirate</a>.</p>
<p>I was able to map drives but I wanted the Domain controller ability as I add users for the porting party I don’t want to deal with Linux and NT accounts all over the place.  I did like that the Linux VM can have a registered IP so I don’t have to deal with VPNs or NAT.  Since the compilers only run on 32bit Alpha NT, I sadly don’t have much choice</p>
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		By: Deposite Pirate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deposite Pirate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2023 20:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2023/07/24/joining-nt-4-to-a-samba-domain-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-334946&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m using Samba 4.x with 9x/NT4 clients on an isolated LAN. Since I&#039;m the only one using those clients (PCs), I just disable authentication altogether and it does work. Unfortunately it looks it may not work anymore soon enough. Which is shame, because it&#039;s really nice to be able to have one Linux SMB3 server VM listening on one network and another one listening on the isolated LAN both sharing a directory through virtio-fs. It&#039;s a convenient way to move files to old PCs back and forth in a pretty secure way. Hopefully someone will add Windows Server 2003 support to virtio-fs drivers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2023/07/24/joining-nt-4-to-a-samba-domain-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-334946">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m using Samba 4.x with 9x/NT4 clients on an isolated LAN. Since I&#8217;m the only one using those clients (PCs), I just disable authentication altogether and it does work. Unfortunately it looks it may not work anymore soon enough. Which is shame, because it&#8217;s really nice to be able to have one Linux SMB3 server VM listening on one network and another one listening on the isolated LAN both sharing a directory through virtio-fs. It&#8217;s a convenient way to move files to old PCs back and forth in a pretty secure way. Hopefully someone will add Windows Server 2003 support to virtio-fs drivers.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2023/07/24/joining-nt-4-to-a-samba-domain-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-334942&quot;&gt;Deposite Pirate&lt;/a&gt;.

Well that explains it!

Someone should poke someone who maintains/owns &lt;a href=&quot;https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setting_up_Samba_as_an_NT4_PDC_(Quick_Start)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;samba.org&lt;/a&gt; that the NT4 PDC stuff is depreciated.

Thanks for the info!

Oddly enough I did try v2 and it crashed and bombed right away.  I&#039;m just glad v3 worked with no issues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2023/07/24/joining-nt-4-to-a-samba-domain-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-334942">Deposite Pirate</a>.</p>
<p>Well that explains it!</p>
<p>Someone should poke someone who maintains/owns <a href="https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setting_up_Samba_as_an_NT4_PDC_(Quick_Start)" rel="nofollow ugc">samba.org</a> that the NT4 PDC stuff is depreciated.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info!</p>
<p>Oddly enough I did try v2 and it crashed and bombed right away.  I&#8217;m just glad v3 worked with no issues.</p>
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		By: Deposite Pirate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deposite Pirate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the release notes of Samba 4.16.0:

SMB1 protocol has been deprecated, particularly older dialects
--------------------------------------------------------------

We take this opportunity to remind that we have deprecated and
disabled by default, but not removed, the whole SMB1 protocol since
Samba 4.11.  If needed for security purposes or code maintenance we
will continue to remove older protocol commands and dialects that are
unused or have been replaced in more modern SMB1 versions.

We specifically deprecate the older dialects older than &quot;NT LM 0.12&quot;
(also known as &quot;NT LANMAN 1.0&quot; and &quot;NT1&quot;).

Please note that &quot;NT LM 0.12&quot; is the dialect used by software as old
as Windows 95, Windows NT and Samba 2.0, so this deprecation applies
to DOS and similar era clients.

We do reassure that that &#039;simple&#039; operation of older clients than
these (eg DOS) will, while untested, continue for the near future, our
purpose is not to cripple use of Samba in unique situations, but to
reduce the maintaince burden.

Eventually SMB1 as a whole will be removed, but no broader change is
announced for 4.16.

In the rare case where the above changes cause incompatibilities,
users requiring support for these features will need to use older
versions of Samba.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the release notes of Samba 4.16.0:</p>
<p>SMB1 protocol has been deprecated, particularly older dialects<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>We take this opportunity to remind that we have deprecated and<br />
disabled by default, but not removed, the whole SMB1 protocol since<br />
Samba 4.11.  If needed for security purposes or code maintenance we<br />
will continue to remove older protocol commands and dialects that are<br />
unused or have been replaced in more modern SMB1 versions.</p>
<p>We specifically deprecate the older dialects older than &#8220;NT LM 0.12&#8221;<br />
(also known as &#8220;NT LANMAN 1.0&#8221; and &#8220;NT1&#8221;).</p>
<p>Please note that &#8220;NT LM 0.12&#8221; is the dialect used by software as old<br />
as Windows 95, Windows NT and Samba 2.0, so this deprecation applies<br />
to DOS and similar era clients.</p>
<p>We do reassure that that &#8216;simple&#8217; operation of older clients than<br />
these (eg DOS) will, while untested, continue for the near future, our<br />
purpose is not to cripple use of Samba in unique situations, but to<br />
reduce the maintaince burden.</p>
<p>Eventually SMB1 as a whole will be removed, but no broader change is<br />
announced for 4.16.</p>
<p>In the rare case where the above changes cause incompatibilities,<br />
users requiring support for these features will need to use older<br />
versions of Samba.</p>
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		By: Bert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah basically the primary design goal of Samba4 was support for 2k+ style AD domains. I don&#039;t think it supports NT style domains at all anymore.
Going back the other way, modern Linux hosts won&#039;t mount shares from an NT4/Win2k box anymore either, although you can still access them manually using smbclient and the impacket tools.

What did you guys manage to get built for AXP64? Anything available for download?

Do you happen to know if there is a win2k rc version of the DDK with alpha/axp64 support? The publicly available version is 2k sp1 and has the alpha support mostly stripped out (eg its missing alphamk.inc among other things), as i was trying to build some drivers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah basically the primary design goal of Samba4 was support for 2k+ style AD domains. I don&#8217;t think it supports NT style domains at all anymore.<br />
Going back the other way, modern Linux hosts won&#8217;t mount shares from an NT4/Win2k box anymore either, although you can still access them manually using smbclient and the impacket tools.</p>
<p>What did you guys manage to get built for AXP64? Anything available for download?</p>
<p>Do you happen to know if there is a win2k rc version of the DDK with alpha/axp64 support? The publicly available version is 2k sp1 and has the alpha support mostly stripped out (eg its missing alphamk.inc among other things), as i was trying to build some drivers.</p>
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