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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2023 07:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-331851&quot;&gt;Dara&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess I should add, &#039;cruiser&#039; was nowhere near to the point of running anything on NT/OS2 was it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-331851">Dara</a>.</p>
<p>I guess I should add, &#8216;cruiser&#8217; was nowhere near to the point of running anything on NT/OS2 was it?</p>
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		By: solarbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[solarbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2023 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(sorry, used the wrong username first time, my bad, i&#039;ve set it to save this time)

The OS/2 subsystem in NT was needed for more than just SQL. I mean, the whole reason Workgroup Applications (hi!) released client and server software for OS/2 was because Australia Telecom was the biggest Microsoft Mail install in the world at 50,000 seats, ran _mostly_ OS/2 1.31, and bought premium-tier support, so when they said “jump” we said “how high?”

I don’t know if that was as important as SQL but it was pretty important. They stood pat for a _long_ time on OS/2 1/31 and Microsoft Mail 3.0-3.5 and being there for them in 16-bit OS/2 was a big deal to keeping them from defecting to... who even knows what, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(sorry, used the wrong username first time, my bad, i&#8217;ve set it to save this time)</p>
<p>The OS/2 subsystem in NT was needed for more than just SQL. I mean, the whole reason Workgroup Applications (hi!) released client and server software for OS/2 was because Australia Telecom was the biggest Microsoft Mail install in the world at 50,000 seats, ran _mostly_ OS/2 1.31, and bought premium-tier support, so when they said “jump” we said “how high?”</p>
<p>I don’t know if that was as important as SQL but it was pretty important. They stood pat for a _long_ time on OS/2 1/31 and Microsoft Mail 3.0-3.5 and being there for them in 16-bit OS/2 was a big deal to keeping them from defecting to&#8230; who even knows what, right?</p>
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		By: Dara		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2023 01:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The OS/2 subsystem in NT was needed for more than just SQL. I mean, the whole reason Workgroup Applications (hi!) released client and server software for OS/2 was because Australia Telecom was the biggest Microsoft Mail install in the world at 50,000 seats, ran _mostly_ OS/2 1.31, and bought premium-tier support, so when they said &quot;jump&quot; we said &quot;how high?&quot;

I don&#039;t know if that was as important as SQL but it was pretty important.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OS/2 subsystem in NT was needed for more than just SQL. I mean, the whole reason Workgroup Applications (hi!) released client and server software for OS/2 was because Australia Telecom was the biggest Microsoft Mail install in the world at 50,000 seats, ran _mostly_ OS/2 1.31, and bought premium-tier support, so when they said &#8220;jump&#8221; we said &#8220;how high?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that was as important as SQL but it was pretty important.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2021 04:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-273845&quot;&gt;Fernando&lt;/a&gt;.

There is some &#039;free&#039; portable SOM, &lt;a href=&quot;https://sourceforge.net/projects/somfree/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;somFree&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-273845">Fernando</a>.</p>
<p>There is some &#8216;free&#8217; portable SOM, <a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/somfree/" rel="nofollow ugc">somFree</a>.</p>
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		By: Fernando		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fernando]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2021 04:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-273841&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Some code that I would really want to see would be SOM (System Object Model) and Workplace Shell. I believe we don&#039;t have nothing today like SOM, we could load libraries and call method/functions, but no Object Orientation at the Operating System Level.
I read that RPC have security problems hard to fix and that was why it was not used anymore, but I don&#039;t remember if SOM or DSOM (Distributed System Object Model) used RPC.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-273841">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Some code that I would really want to see would be SOM (System Object Model) and Workplace Shell. I believe we don&#8217;t have nothing today like SOM, we could load libraries and call method/functions, but no Object Orientation at the Operating System Level.<br />
I read that RPC have security problems hard to fix and that was why it was not used anymore, but I don&#8217;t remember if SOM or DSOM (Distributed System Object Model) used RPC.</p>
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		By: Fernando		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fernando]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2021 03:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-272380&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for sharing.
So much software and documentation has been lost for older programs, especially non games.
I think I don&#039;t have much software that isn&#039;t at the net and the last time I tried to read some of my diskettes, some of them had bad sectors, but I will try again. Unfortunately I don&#039;t live in a first world country and because my situation I don&#039;t have a Kryoflux, but will try again to read the diskettes and see what I have stored all this years.
Again, thank you for sharing :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-272380">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing.<br />
So much software and documentation has been lost for older programs, especially non games.<br />
I think I don&#8217;t have much software that isn&#8217;t at the net and the last time I tried to read some of my diskettes, some of them had bad sectors, but I will try again. Unfortunately I don&#8217;t live in a first world country and because my situation I don&#8217;t have a Kryoflux, but will try again to read the diskettes and see what I have stored all this years.<br />
Again, thank you for sharing 🙂</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2021 03:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-273840&quot;&gt;Fernando&lt;/a&gt;.

from what I remember the JFS code that made it&#039;s way to Linux came from OS/2 PowerPC.

HPFS is a Microsoft thing, and well if you look at &#039;European DOS&#039; aka the &#039;link4&#039; Windows 1/2 magic it&#039;s all Microsoft.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-273840">Fernando</a>.</p>
<p>from what I remember the JFS code that made it&#8217;s way to Linux came from OS/2 PowerPC.</p>
<p>HPFS is a Microsoft thing, and well if you look at &#8216;European DOS&#8217; aka the &#8216;link4&#8217; Windows 1/2 magic it&#8217;s all Microsoft.</p>
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		By: Fernando		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fernando]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2021 03:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-273806&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

I remember a few years ago, I don&#039;t remember how many... There was a movement to make IBM release the OS/2 source code, (probably Warp or other version from IBM). A spokesperson from IBM said that IBM was in favor of releasing the code, but... that part of the code was licensed from other companies and would be complicated to get the permission from these companies to release the code and I think that was the end of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-273806">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>I remember a few years ago, I don&#8217;t remember how many&#8230; There was a movement to make IBM release the OS/2 source code, (probably Warp or other version from IBM). A spokesperson from IBM said that IBM was in favor of releasing the code, but&#8230; that part of the code was licensed from other companies and would be complicated to get the permission from these companies to release the code and I think that was the end of it.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2021 23:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-273772&quot;&gt;detsaoT&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep, pretty much.  and it&#039;s guaranteed to be useless in this day &amp; age as it&#039;s no doubt 100% hand tuned 80286 assembly.  If anything the &#039;useful&#039; bit would be fixing all the timing issues, and maybe making the errors more useful other than the infamous &#039;error in country.sys&#039; nonsense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2021/05/19/presentation-manager-for-windows-nt/comment-page-1/#comment-273772">detsaoT</a>.</p>
<p>Yep, pretty much.  and it&#8217;s guaranteed to be useless in this day &#038; age as it&#8217;s no doubt 100% hand tuned 80286 assembly.  If anything the &#8216;useful&#8217; bit would be fixing all the timing issues, and maybe making the errors more useful other than the infamous &#8216;error in country.sys&#8217; nonsense.</p>
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		By: detsaoT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[detsaoT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2021 18:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t mean to imply that we condone anything illegal here by saying this: but as many times as various iterations of the Windows NT source code have leaked over the years, it really is a shame that nobody&#039;s ever leaked the source to OS/2.  It&#039;d be absolutely worthless, but fascinating to read for those of us old enough to have used it as our daily drivers way back when.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to imply that we condone anything illegal here by saying this: but as many times as various iterations of the Windows NT source code have leaked over the years, it really is a shame that nobody&#8217;s ever leaked the source to OS/2.  It&#8217;d be absolutely worthless, but fascinating to read for those of us old enough to have used it as our daily drivers way back when.</p>
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