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		By: blyat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2024 06:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Out of curiosity, have you tried 00-5-01-01-3-24F8C ?]]></description>
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		By: rakslice		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 07:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/12/01/dell-unix-on-86box/comment-page-1/#comment-343942&quot;&gt;rakslice&lt;/a&gt;.

neozeed: not 86box; 86box goes as fast as it goes, but in exchange even its dynrec is too high level for host cpu compatibility to matter much
zir blazer: ah, ok. I didn&#039;t realize the significance of &quot;unrestricted execution&quot; and the sea change in how virtualbox worked with different hw virt versions; there is tons of guest instruction behaviour implemented in the hypervisor that it touches on and who can say what small difference has a knock-on 
 effect that leads to the crash]]></description>
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<p>neozeed: not 86box; 86box goes as fast as it goes, but in exchange even its dynrec is too high level for host cpu compatibility to matter much<br />
zir blazer: ah, ok. I didn&#8217;t realize the significance of &#8220;unrestricted execution&#8221; and the sea change in how virtualbox worked with different hw virt versions; there is tons of guest instruction behaviour implemented in the hypervisor that it touches on and who can say what small difference has a knock-on<br />
 effect that leads to the crash</p>
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		By: Dungeonseeker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dungeonseeker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2023 14:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is exactly what I was looking for, been playing with Dell UNIX for a few hours and am struggling to get X running. Its the first time I&#039;ve encountered such an old version of X and this page has exactly what I need.

Also, its better to just create /root, edit /etc/passwd and change roots home to /root then copy all the files in /usr/X4/init over to /root appending a dot to each. Then you can edit the .xinitrc and .xserverrc files locally without messing with the system version.

I can confirm that Nano v1.0.9 builds and runs fine too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what I was looking for, been playing with Dell UNIX for a few hours and am struggling to get X running. Its the first time I&#8217;ve encountered such an old version of X and this page has exactly what I need.</p>
<p>Also, its better to just create /root, edit /etc/passwd and change roots home to /root then copy all the files in /usr/X4/init over to /root appending a dot to each. Then you can edit the .xinitrc and .xserverrc files locally without messing with the system version.</p>
<p>I can confirm that Nano v1.0.9 builds and runs fine too.</p>
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		By: Zir Blazer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/12/01/dell-unix-on-86box/comment-page-1/#comment-343942&quot;&gt;rakslice&lt;/a&gt;.

The only feature that comes to my mind that Nehalem and above has and Core 2 generation lack is VT-x extension EPT (Extended Page Tables) for SLAT, which allows Nehalem to virtualize &quot;unrestricted guest&quot;.
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=59379]]></description>
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<p>The only feature that comes to my mind that Nehalem and above has and Core 2 generation lack is VT-x extension EPT (Extended Page Tables) for SLAT, which allows Nehalem to virtualize &#8220;unrestricted guest&#8221;.<br />
<a href="https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=59379" rel="nofollow ugc">https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=59379</a></p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/12/01/dell-unix-on-86box/comment-page-1/#comment-343942&quot;&gt;rakslice&lt;/a&gt;.

must be the jit? Try 386/486 with no dynamic recompilation?]]></description>
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<p>must be the jit? Try 386/486 with no dynamic recompilation?</p>
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		By: rakslice		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rakslice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 03:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/12/01/dell-unix-on-86box/comment-page-1/#comment-343896&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

I had the same idea, because of the virtualized ISA devices involved, but the thing is, the exact same configuration works on my various other Core i&#039;s and AMD systems, the only systems that give the triple fault are all of the Core 2&#039;s I&#039;ve tested (p9600, t9600, p7550) -- there must be something special about them that hits this problem]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/12/01/dell-unix-on-86box/comment-page-1/#comment-343896">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>I had the same idea, because of the virtualized ISA devices involved, but the thing is, the exact same configuration works on my various other Core i&#8217;s and AMD systems, the only systems that give the triple fault are all of the Core 2&#8217;s I&#8217;ve tested (p9600, t9600, p7550) &#8212; there must be something special about them that hits this problem</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/12/01/dell-unix-on-86box/comment-page-1/#comment-343890&quot;&gt;rakslice&lt;/a&gt;.

it&#039;ll be related to ISA DMA from the sounds of it.  Many old 386 stuff lived in the 286 24bit address space, and didn&#039;t take into consideration the memory layout as who on earth could afford more than 16MB of RAM back then, let alone fit it into their computer?!

old 386 BSD &amp; Linux also suffered the same issues with DMA.  You could try removing the floppy controller since it&#039;s the larger source of DMA issues, along with forcing IDE into PIO mode as well, which will usually work up to the next big limit of 64MB.]]></description>
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<p>it&#8217;ll be related to ISA DMA from the sounds of it.  Many old 386 stuff lived in the 286 24bit address space, and didn&#8217;t take into consideration the memory layout as who on earth could afford more than 16MB of RAM back then, let alone fit it into their computer?!</p>
<p>old 386 BSD &#038; Linux also suffered the same issues with DMA.  You could try removing the floppy controller since it&#8217;s the larger source of DMA issues, along with forcing IDE into PIO mode as well, which will usually work up to the next big limit of 64MB.</p>
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		By: rakslice		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rakslice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/12/01/dell-unix-on-86box/comment-page-1/#comment-343748&quot;&gt;rakslice&lt;/a&gt;.

But only with &#062; 16MB of guest RAM; with 16MB of guest RAM the kernel boots and works fine (?)]]></description>
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<p>But only with &gt; 16MB of guest RAM; with 16MB of guest RAM the kernel boots and works fine (?)</p>
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		By: rakslice		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rakslice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2023 07:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/12/01/dell-unix-on-86box/comment-page-1/#comment-329202&quot;&gt;ptek&lt;/a&gt;.

Looks like Xfig.]]></description>
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<p>Looks like Xfig.</p>
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		By: rakslice		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rakslice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2023 07:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Weird, off-topic question: Anyone happen to know why Dell Unix dies with a triple-fault under VirtualBox on Core 2 systems?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird, off-topic question: Anyone happen to know why Dell Unix dies with a triple-fault under VirtualBox on Core 2 systems?</p>
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