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		By: MichaelH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MichaelH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2020 17:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does anybody still has access to this device and can do a driver backup (e.g with Double Driver or something similar)?
I got mine in used condition but I needed to reinstall Windows because of several issues. Now some hardware like audio is not working. I think it is because of missing drivers. There are no drivers on Asus homepage for this device.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody still has access to this device and can do a driver backup (e.g with Double Driver or something similar)?<br />
I got mine in used condition but I needed to reinstall Windows because of several issues. Now some hardware like audio is not working. I think it is because of missing drivers. There are no drivers on Asus homepage for this device.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-245541&quot;&gt;never_released&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s a bummer.

I saw a surface X today in Akihabara. 127,800 yen. USED.  Granted electronics are more expensive in Japan, but it&#039;s just too much. And I hate that kickstand thing so much for a daily driver. The Asus is annoying lacking a backlit keyboard, I don&#039;t know why I miss that, when I TouchType... I guess it&#039;s instantly being able to find the home row?

I guess it&#039;s funny that I have both RT models, and a pro 4.. Or is it a 5?  I forget, I never really use it once I got vdi and remote desk access.

The kickstand just isn&#039;t good for working on a bed, a car or train. Forget about a plane . 

I hope one day we get arm boards with DDR and pcie_16 slots. You know, like a real computer. So I can load it out with 256gb of ram, a few tb of storage and a real GPU.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-245541">never_released</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a bummer.</p>
<p>I saw a surface X today in Akihabara. 127,800 yen. USED.  Granted electronics are more expensive in Japan, but it&#8217;s just too much. And I hate that kickstand thing so much for a daily driver. The Asus is annoying lacking a backlit keyboard, I don&#8217;t know why I miss that, when I TouchType&#8230; I guess it&#8217;s instantly being able to find the home row?</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s funny that I have both RT models, and a pro 4.. Or is it a 5?  I forget, I never really use it once I got vdi and remote desk access.</p>
<p>The kickstand just isn&#8217;t good for working on a bed, a car or train. Forget about a plane . </p>
<p>I hope one day we get arm boards with DDR and pcie_16 slots. You know, like a real computer. So I can load it out with 256gb of ram, a few tb of storage and a real GPU.</p>
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		By: never_released		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[never_released]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 11:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-244711&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello,

Forget about WSL2 for SD835*, it will almost certainly never come. WSL2 relies on a lightweight virtual machine using Hyper-V under the hood.

WSL2 on ARM64 shipped as a part of Windows 10 version 1903 already too.

For ARM64 desktop platforms with Windows, stay tuned...

* SD835 could technically support EL2/virtualization, but for that generation, Qualcomm chose to run their own firmware there. Qualcomm could rearchitect it, but it&#039;ll break compatibility with existing drivers among other things...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-244711">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Forget about WSL2 for SD835*, it will almost certainly never come. WSL2 relies on a lightweight virtual machine using Hyper-V under the hood.</p>
<p>WSL2 on ARM64 shipped as a part of Windows 10 version 1903 already too.</p>
<p>For ARM64 desktop platforms with Windows, stay tuned&#8230;</p>
<p>* SD835 could technically support EL2/virtualization, but for that generation, Qualcomm chose to run their own firmware there. Qualcomm could rearchitect it, but it&#8217;ll break compatibility with existing drivers among other things&#8230;</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2020 02:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-244628&quot;&gt;never_released&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess at least that means I&#039;ll get WSL2, although man that sucks.  I guess there is a reason why these things were so cheap.

Although I own a Surface RT/RT2 and a Surface Pro 3, I really hate the formfactor.  The one thing I love about the Asus is the laptop formfactor.  I don&#039;t care much for the &#039;flip monitor/tablet&#039; thing but I&#039;d be happy with even cheaper devices that didn&#039;t try to be tablets.

I love the convenience of the NovaGo, it basically is a large cellphone, and adding in the SIM &amp; a 400GB SD card sure helped things a lot.

The real limitation of the Asus NovaGo will be the 6GB of RAM.

Where is the ARM based desktop motherboards that&#039;ll run Windows 10?  As much as I love cheap Chinese Xeon boards, you&#039;d think that for those people terrified of a $20 jump in their power bill would be happy to pay upwards of $500 for an ARM motherboard that you could slap in 32+GB of RAM, big disks and an NVIDIA GPU...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-244628">never_released</a>.</p>
<p>I guess at least that means I&#8217;ll get WSL2, although man that sucks.  I guess there is a reason why these things were so cheap.</p>
<p>Although I own a Surface RT/RT2 and a Surface Pro 3, I really hate the formfactor.  The one thing I love about the Asus is the laptop formfactor.  I don&#8217;t care much for the &#8216;flip monitor/tablet&#8217; thing but I&#8217;d be happy with even cheaper devices that didn&#8217;t try to be tablets.</p>
<p>I love the convenience of the NovaGo, it basically is a large cellphone, and adding in the SIM &#038; a 400GB SD card sure helped things a lot.</p>
<p>The real limitation of the Asus NovaGo will be the 6GB of RAM.</p>
<p>Where is the ARM based desktop motherboards that&#8217;ll run Windows 10?  As much as I love cheap Chinese Xeon boards, you&#8217;d think that for those people terrified of a $20 jump in their power bill would be happy to pay upwards of $500 for an ARM motherboard that you could slap in 32+GB of RAM, big disks and an NVIDIA GPU&#8230;</p>
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		By: never_released		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[never_released]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2020 16:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-241530&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Hyper-V is there for 850 and later. 835 firmware doesn&#039;t support hardware virtualization...

For the Hyper-V feature to create VMs properly, note that it&#039;s currently in Insider Preview, and will ship in Windows 10 version 2004.

Virtual Machine Platform is a reduced feature set that is enough for security features and the WSL2 virtual machine, and getting other things to run on it isn&#039;t that fun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-241530">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Hyper-V is there for 850 and later. 835 firmware doesn&#8217;t support hardware virtualization&#8230;</p>
<p>For the Hyper-V feature to create VMs properly, note that it&#8217;s currently in Insider Preview, and will ship in Windows 10 version 2004.</p>
<p>Virtual Machine Platform is a reduced feature set that is enough for security features and the WSL2 virtual machine, and getting other things to run on it isn&#8217;t that fun.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Feb 2020 19:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-241392&quot;&gt;Bruno Antunes&lt;/a&gt;.

Fixed the SDL issue, 99% of it was me, 1% was platform drift.  So now I can play DooM 1.1 with Music &amp; SOUND! yay!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-241392">Bruno Antunes</a>.</p>
<p>Fixed the SDL issue, 99% of it was me, 1% was platform drift.  So now I can play DooM 1.1 with Music &#038; SOUND! yay!</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-241462&quot;&gt;Malcolm&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually there is 4 notepads!  One in \Windows, the others are SysArm32 ,System32 &amp; SysWOW64.

I&#039;ll have to check back on the rest later.  Also there is no Hyper-V, but there is a &#039;Virtual Machine Platform&#039;.  Whatever that is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-241462">Malcolm</a>.</p>
<p>Actually there is 4 notepads!  One in \Windows, the others are SysArm32 ,System32 &#038; SysWOW64.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to check back on the rest later.  Also there is no Hyper-V, but there is a &#8216;Virtual Machine Platform&#8217;.  Whatever that is.</p>
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		By: Malcolm		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malcolm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think (can you confirm?) that the current Visual Studio build tools ship ARM64 compilers that are really x86-to-ARM64, so they should run on the device and generate native binaries.

As far as telling binaries apart, I built support into sdir to display PE architecture with -dar (see http://www.malsmith.net/sdir/display/) which should be a fairly efficient way to do this at scale.  While messing around with a Windows ARM device in the store, the funny part was doing this on running processes - taskmgr unhelpfully indicated &quot;32 bit&quot; processes without architecture, but the telltale giveaway was the huge RAM consumption of x86 emulation.  The system includes arm32 and x86 notepads for example - run them both and the x86 one takes about 4x the memory.

Still, I&#039;m curious how you find this over time.  The 835 is a fairly early model.  I&#039;d like to try this too, but can&#039;t really imagine giving up x86 due to the benefit of being able to run/virtualize any previous x86 OS, whereas arm64 is really limited to Windows 10...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think (can you confirm?) that the current Visual Studio build tools ship ARM64 compilers that are really x86-to-ARM64, so they should run on the device and generate native binaries.</p>
<p>As far as telling binaries apart, I built support into sdir to display PE architecture with -dar (see <a href="http://www.malsmith.net/sdir/display/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.malsmith.net/sdir/display/</a>) which should be a fairly efficient way to do this at scale.  While messing around with a Windows ARM device in the store, the funny part was doing this on running processes &#8211; taskmgr unhelpfully indicated &#8220;32 bit&#8221; processes without architecture, but the telltale giveaway was the huge RAM consumption of x86 emulation.  The system includes arm32 and x86 notepads for example &#8211; run them both and the x86 one takes about 4x the memory.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m curious how you find this over time.  The 835 is a fairly early model.  I&#8217;d like to try this too, but can&#8217;t really imagine giving up x86 due to the benefit of being able to run/virtualize any previous x86 OS, whereas arm64 is really limited to Windows 10&#8230;</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2020 02:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-241392&quot;&gt;Bruno Antunes&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m going to try to rebuild SDL with Direct X later on.  Maybe that&#039;ll fix the issues at large.  The error message itself is kind of interesting:

&lt;i&gt;Can&#039;t use audio: waveOutOpen(): The specified format is not supported or cannot be translated.  Use the Capabilities function to determine the s&lt;/i&gt;

I guess the Qualcomm Aqstic does things... differently.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2020/01/28/living-with-arm-for-a-week/comment-page-1/#comment-241392">Bruno Antunes</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to try to rebuild SDL with Direct X later on.  Maybe that&#8217;ll fix the issues at large.  The error message itself is kind of interesting:</p>
<p><i>Can&#8217;t use audio: waveOutOpen(): The specified format is not supported or cannot be translated.  Use the Capabilities function to determine the s</i></p>
<p>I guess the Qualcomm Aqstic does things&#8230; differently.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruno Antunes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pretty cool, thanks for the article. Are the SDL issues easy to fix in the future? Not having sound kinda sucks...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty cool, thanks for the article. Are the SDL issues easy to fix in the future? Not having sound kinda sucks&#8230;</p>
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