Comments on: Just made a drunk purchase… Not too mad

By: neozeed

neozeed — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 01:12:14 +0000

In reply to ender. It's these weird half starts Microsoft does that is so strange. The only way to compete is showing up, and they are seemingly half hearted when it comes to windows on arm. It's like they don't want fully capable machines or support m

By: ender

ender — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 16:53:31 +0000

Nothing that I could find. There’s been some effort on some RPi clones, but nothing that could boot into installed system that I’ve seen (some did get as far as WinPE booting).

By: neozeed

neozeed — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 15:13:06 +0000

In reply to ender.

I recently got a 4, and was disappointed to see there was no 10.

I wasn’t thinking of kvm, but it’s probably the best way short of getting an arm laptop.

Is there a real list of arm windows devices? There must be something else more capable than the rpi3

By: ender

ender — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 14:41:12 +0000

Windows 10 on AArch64 can run not only 32-bit ARM binaries made for the jailbroken WoA devices (well, most of them – some complain about missing DLLs), but also runs x86 programs in emulation.

You can boot Windows 10 ARM64 on RaspberryPi 3, but the experience is pretty awful, due to slow SD card access and only 1 GB RAM; the required bits to run it on RPi4 aren’t available yet, but you can run it inside KVM (and it works much better there than on RPi3).

By: neozeed

neozeed — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 14:26:13 +0000

In reply to Malcolm.

It’ll be interesting to see how it compares to the other ARM thing I have, the Microsoft 950 phone. It had a great desktop experience when docked, continium.

But the lack of native tools really was a bummer.

I’m looking forward to see how this desktop/laptop pans out.

By: Malcolm

Malcolm — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 09:37:48 +0000

I haven’t used one of these myself, but AFAIK there is an ARM32 userland (see https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/surface-pro-arm-app-performance for example.) I don’t know if that means it will run some of the Win32 jailbroken RT software that was targeting Win8; I think the goal was to run ARM32 based store applications to avoid needing to do ISA translation of Intel binaries. This is somewhat expressed at https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/porting/apps-on-arm .

If you haven’t tried yet, the free Visual Studio Build Tools includes ARM32 and ARM64 cross compilers. AFAIK there are no natively hosted compilers though, which seems a tad lame. Nonetheless porting from AMD64 to ARM64 was incredibly straightforward – since I don’t have a device I haven’t tested that the code works, but it was the fastest port to compile I’ve ever done.

By: Code1A0

Code1A0 — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 00:00:04 +0000

Speaking of Surface RT and Surface 2, have you seen the leaked Windows 10 ARM32 build that should run on these?

https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-8-rt/rt-general/windows-10-build-15035-surface-rt-t4011147