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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/08/28/so-while-out-today-i-found-a-windows-rt-surface-for-25/comment-page-1/#comment-201774&quot;&gt;Rugxulo&lt;/a&gt;.

I was trying to re-load Windows RT.  it wouldn&#039;t format a 128GB flash drive as FAT32.  I eventually found an old 4GB stick that worked fine.

I don&#039;t know what Windows RT 8.0&#039;s issue is, but it didn&#039;t work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/08/28/so-while-out-today-i-found-a-windows-rt-surface-for-25/comment-page-1/#comment-201774">Rugxulo</a>.</p>
<p>I was trying to re-load Windows RT.  it wouldn&#8217;t format a 128GB flash drive as FAT32.  I eventually found an old 4GB stick that worked fine.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what Windows RT 8.0&#8217;s issue is, but it didn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		By: Rugxulo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rugxulo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 02:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The smallest I usually have is 128GB but that is FAR too big for Fat32. sigh what a nightmare!&quot;

I&#039;m no expert, and I don&#039;t fully understand the details of what you&#039;re trying to do. Especially Windows installations, I have almost no experience there.

But what exactly is the problem? IIRC, Windows won&#039;t format a FAT32 partition larger than 32 GB, but of course FAT32 supports up to 2 TB, right? So just use a different OS (Linux or even FreeDOS, maybe?) to partition first. I don&#039;t know why it would be a problem otherwise. I think Windows can read larger FAT32 drives fine, but their alleged excuse for that formatting limitation (back in the day) was something like, &quot;Oh, well, MS-DOS keeps the FAT in conventional memory, and it becomes very very slow with larger FAT32 partitions.&quot; (Which is irrelevant in this day and age, sadly. I don&#039;t think Win10 even comes with system floppy image anymore. Obviously Vista on up won&#039;t boot from FAT anymore either, due to &quot;security reasons&quot;.)

Or is it some other limitation or bug that I&#039;m misunderstanding?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The smallest I usually have is 128GB but that is FAR too big for Fat32. sigh what a nightmare!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no expert, and I don&#8217;t fully understand the details of what you&#8217;re trying to do. Especially Windows installations, I have almost no experience there.</p>
<p>But what exactly is the problem? IIRC, Windows won&#8217;t format a FAT32 partition larger than 32 GB, but of course FAT32 supports up to 2 TB, right? So just use a different OS (Linux or even FreeDOS, maybe?) to partition first. I don&#8217;t know why it would be a problem otherwise. I think Windows can read larger FAT32 drives fine, but their alleged excuse for that formatting limitation (back in the day) was something like, &#8220;Oh, well, MS-DOS keeps the FAT in conventional memory, and it becomes very very slow with larger FAT32 partitions.&#8221; (Which is irrelevant in this day and age, sadly. I don&#8217;t think Win10 even comes with system floppy image anymore. Obviously Vista on up won&#8217;t boot from FAT anymore either, due to &#8220;security reasons&#8221;.)</p>
<p>Or is it some other limitation or bug that I&#8217;m misunderstanding?</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 03:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/08/28/so-while-out-today-i-found-a-windows-rt-surface-for-25/comment-page-1/#comment-201268&quot;&gt;Peter Godwin&lt;/a&gt;.

I think I&#039;m going to leave mine at 8.0 ...  

It took me about 2 hours to find a small enough flash drive to format to FAT32 to restore the 8.0 image to.  If your surface boots at all it&#039;s an option to change to select the boot device.  As long as your OS is signed you are good to go.... :)

Surprisingly the &lt;a href=&quot;http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/3/7/837ABEB8-D419-43E0-8C7F-474004F2C016/Surface%20RT%208.0%20North%20America.zip&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Surface RT 8.0 North America.zip&lt;/a&gt; recovery file is still available @ Microsoft.  

It was easy enough, with a translate OCR app in one hand I went through the simplified Chinese menus to select a repair/reboot thing to USB, and waited for this incredibly slow thing to do it&#039;s job.  It took well over 90 minutes, but I suspect it&#039;s the ancient USB stick I have.  I erased and tossed all the small stuff as 4-16GB is just too impractical these days..  The smallest I usually have is 128GB but that is FAR too big for Fat32. sigh what a nightmare!

I don&#039;t know if there really is any point to an obsolete ARM desktop at this point... A Windows Phone running 10 is about a billion times more useful.  I didn&#039;t realize that browser tech had changed so much in the last 6 years.  None of my favorite javascript sites (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scriptedamigaemulator.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scripted Amiga&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href=&quot;https://phoboslab.org/wipeout/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WipEout PSX Model Viewer&lt;/a&gt;) will run.

If my speakers worked it&#039;d be a movie/music player but it feels silly needing a Bluetooth set as the headphone jack doesn&#039;t work either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/08/28/so-while-out-today-i-found-a-windows-rt-surface-for-25/comment-page-1/#comment-201268">Peter Godwin</a>.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m going to leave mine at 8.0 &#8230;  </p>
<p>It took me about 2 hours to find a small enough flash drive to format to FAT32 to restore the 8.0 image to.  If your surface boots at all it&#8217;s an option to change to select the boot device.  As long as your OS is signed you are good to go&#8230;. 🙂</p>
<p>Surprisingly the <a href="http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/3/7/837ABEB8-D419-43E0-8C7F-474004F2C016/Surface%20RT%208.0%20North%20America.zip" rel="nofollow">Surface RT 8.0 North America.zip</a> recovery file is still available @ Microsoft.  </p>
<p>It was easy enough, with a translate OCR app in one hand I went through the simplified Chinese menus to select a repair/reboot thing to USB, and waited for this incredibly slow thing to do it&#8217;s job.  It took well over 90 minutes, but I suspect it&#8217;s the ancient USB stick I have.  I erased and tossed all the small stuff as 4-16GB is just too impractical these days..  The smallest I usually have is 128GB but that is FAR too big for Fat32. sigh what a nightmare!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if there really is any point to an obsolete ARM desktop at this point&#8230; A Windows Phone running 10 is about a billion times more useful.  I didn&#8217;t realize that browser tech had changed so much in the last 6 years.  None of my favorite javascript sites (<a href="http://www.scriptedamigaemulator.net/" rel="nofollow">Scripted Amiga</a>,<a href="https://phoboslab.org/wipeout/ rel="nofollow">WipEout PSX Model Viewer</a>) will run.</p>
<p>If my speakers worked it&#8217;d be a movie/music player but it feels silly needing a Bluetooth set as the headphone jack doesn&#8217;t work either.</p>
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		By: Peter Godwin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Godwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/08/28/so-while-out-today-i-found-a-windows-rt-surface-for-25/comment-page-1/#comment-201267&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

I recently tried resurrecting mine at the beginning of the year and jumping through the 8.1 upgrade (Windows updates took about 2 days!). In the end, it turned out one of the updates pushed out to 8.1 ends up killing the system (KB3033055) and the only option was to start over again!

I gave up after that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/08/28/so-while-out-today-i-found-a-windows-rt-surface-for-25/comment-page-1/#comment-201267">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>I recently tried resurrecting mine at the beginning of the year and jumping through the 8.1 upgrade (Windows updates took about 2 days!). In the end, it turned out one of the updates pushed out to 8.1 ends up killing the system (KB3033055) and the only option was to start over again!</p>
<p>I gave up after that.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 01:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/08/28/so-while-out-today-i-found-a-windows-rt-surface-for-25/comment-page-1/#comment-201254&quot;&gt;Malcolm&lt;/a&gt;.

I went through all kinds of hell trying to scrape a small enough storage to re-load the OS in English.  Oddly enough the only North American version of RT I could find was 8.0. I guess it was that way for a reason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/08/28/so-while-out-today-i-found-a-windows-rt-surface-for-25/comment-page-1/#comment-201254">Malcolm</a>.</p>
<p>I went through all kinds of hell trying to scrape a small enough storage to re-load the OS in English.  Oddly enough the only North American version of RT I could find was 8.0. I guess it was that way for a reason.</p>
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		By: Malcolm		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malcolm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I assume this is Windows 8.0 not 8.1?  I thought only 8.0 would allow unsigned Win32 apps to run, and 8.0 is no longer being patched/updated?  If my memory is right, you might want to take steps to ensure it never upgrades itself to 8.1.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume this is Windows 8.0 not 8.1?  I thought only 8.0 would allow unsigned Win32 apps to run, and 8.0 is no longer being patched/updated?  If my memory is right, you might want to take steps to ensure it never upgrades itself to 8.1.</p>
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