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	Comments on: So Google is starting to &#8216;shame&#8217; sites for not using HTTPS	</title>
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		By: Grizzly Adams		</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200294</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grizzly Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t browsers which would complain, attempt to upgrade http links to https on the client end anyway? You shouldn&#039;t have to do anything server side to redirect, the browser is supposed to do it for you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t browsers which would complain, attempt to upgrade http links to https on the client end anyway? You shouldn&#8217;t have to do anything server side to redirect, the browser is supposed to do it for you.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2018 13:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200287&quot;&gt;DOS&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve been thinking of a reverse proxy into stuff although that doesn&#039;t help me on a fresh install of NT 4.0 with Internet Explorer 2.

The BBS is another option, I put it on VMware to see how it&#039;ll perform.  I suppose FTP may be a good fallback to at least get a browser.

I really want a proxy that can connect over Https... Much like how stunnel can bridge that crypto gap for regular TCP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200287">DOS</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking of a reverse proxy into stuff although that doesn&#8217;t help me on a fresh install of NT 4.0 with Internet Explorer 2.</p>
<p>The BBS is another option, I put it on VMware to see how it&#8217;ll perform.  I suppose FTP may be a good fallback to at least get a browser.</p>
<p>I really want a proxy that can connect over Https&#8230; Much like how stunnel can bridge that crypto gap for regular TCP.</p>
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		By: bhtooefr		</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200289</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bhtooefr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2018 13:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200287&quot;&gt;DOS&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem with that approach is that a man in the middle could spoof being an older browser to prevent HTTPS upgrade, for modern browsers.

I think the real solution is really putting stripping proxies between your old computers and the modern web, if you want to keep them on the modern web.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200287">DOS</a>.</p>
<p>The problem with that approach is that a man in the middle could spoof being an older browser to prevent HTTPS upgrade, for modern browsers.</p>
<p>I think the real solution is really putting stripping proxies between your old computers and the modern web, if you want to keep them on the modern web.</p>
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		By: DOS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DOS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Could you make the redirect from http:// to https:// conditional on some browser headers, e.g. only do it for modern browsers or ones known to complain about http://, and perhaps web crawlers?  You could go the other way and not do the redirect for Lynx, Netscape, Internet Explorer 6 and earlier, etc. but that list seems like it would be longer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you make the redirect from http:// to https:// conditional on some browser headers, e.g. only do it for modern browsers or ones known to complain about <a href="http://" rel="ugc">http://</a>, and perhaps web crawlers?  You could go the other way and not do the redirect for Lynx, Netscape, Internet Explorer 6 and earlier, etc. but that list seems like it would be longer.</p>
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		By: ender		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200248&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

They do - that&#039;s how the Diginotar breach was detected years ago. However locally installed CAs override the detection to not (completely) break the internet in US enterprises that MitM their own employees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200248">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>They do &#8211; that&#8217;s how the Diginotar breach was detected years ago. However locally installed CAs override the detection to not (completely) break the internet in US enterprises that MitM their own employees.</p>
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		By: tenox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tenox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2018 05:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200245&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah I want to package WRP in to a container but for now there is no point, as it simply doesn&#039;t work for most websites due to HTTPS. Unfortunately implementing proxy for this is non trivial as it requires CONNECT method. I&#039;m thinking perhaps I will revert WRP back to a web server rather than a proxy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200245">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah I want to package WRP in to a container but for now there is no point, as it simply doesn&#8217;t work for most websites due to HTTPS. Unfortunately implementing proxy for this is non trivial as it requires CONNECT method. I&#8217;m thinking perhaps I will revert WRP back to a web server rather than a proxy.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200246&quot;&gt;Chris M.&lt;/a&gt;.

To me that is the biggest surprise, that they don&#039;t have their own CA&#039;s along with other fingerprints to at least know when .google.com is being tampered with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200246">Chris M.</a>.</p>
<p>To me that is the biggest surprise, that they don&#8217;t have their own CA&#8217;s along with other fingerprints to at least know when .google.com is being tampered with.</p>
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		By: Chris M.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200232&quot;&gt;xorhash&lt;/a&gt;.

Yet they are doing nothing about so called &quot;security&quot; software that purposely MITMs to inspect HTTPS traffic and completely breaks certificates. The end user has no clue where the host&#039;s certificates are coming from in that case and one can forget about EV certs working that that configuration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200232">xorhash</a>.</p>
<p>Yet they are doing nothing about so called &#8220;security&#8221; software that purposely MITMs to inspect HTTPS traffic and completely breaks certificates. The end user has no clue where the host&#8217;s certificates are coming from in that case and one can forget about EV certs working that that configuration.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200239&quot;&gt;tenox&lt;/a&gt;.

And something to deploy to containers.... ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200239">tenox</a>.</p>
<p>And something to deploy to containers&#8230;. ?</p>
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		By: tenox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tenox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2018 19:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200233&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m working on an update for Web Rendering Proxy that allows obsolete browsers to work with this HTTPS nonsense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2018/07/24/so-google-is-starting-to-shame-sites-for-not-using-https/comment-page-1/#comment-200233">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on an update for Web Rendering Proxy that allows obsolete browsers to work with this HTTPS nonsense.</p>
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