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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love this video. So deliciously retro-tastic.]]></description>
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		By: Richard Wells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Multimate was the second most popular DOS wordprocessor in 1987, though at least some of that was from channel stuffing. But before 1990, the market was WordPerfect climbing to just under 50%, MS Word about 15%, Display Write, Multimate, and Wordstar all fading but still about 10% each. 

The problem for Citrix was that even DOS applications were being forced into spending more time in graphical modes. WordPerfect added page preview before creating a dedicated GUI; Lotus 2.2 and R3 improved graphing functions to compete with Excel. MS Word for DOS ran best in graphical modes and starting with Word 5 tried to match WordPerfect with page preview and then graphical editing after the panicky release of Windows Pageview to give DOS Word 4 a page preview and graphics insertion program. Even stodgy Displaywrite got a page preview mode and a graphical editing add-on by 1990. A text only multiuser solution was running into a strong headwind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Multimate was the second most popular DOS wordprocessor in 1987, though at least some of that was from channel stuffing. But before 1990, the market was WordPerfect climbing to just under 50%, MS Word about 15%, Display Write, Multimate, and Wordstar all fading but still about 10% each. </p>
<p>The problem for Citrix was that even DOS applications were being forced into spending more time in graphical modes. WordPerfect added page preview before creating a dedicated GUI; Lotus 2.2 and R3 improved graphing functions to compete with Excel. MS Word for DOS ran best in graphical modes and starting with Word 5 tried to match WordPerfect with page preview and then graphical editing after the panicky release of Windows Pageview to give DOS Word 4 a page preview and graphics insertion program. Even stodgy Displaywrite got a page preview mode and a graphical editing add-on by 1990. A text only multiuser solution was running into a strong headwind.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2017/11/17/installing-using-citrix-multiuser-v1-0-bochs/comment-page-1/#comment-189212&quot;&gt;DOS&lt;/a&gt;.

I used to think that, then I got Microsoft Word for Xenix.  I never did like Wordperfect, and although Word was way easier to use, it still felt terrible.  And I ran back to Word 2 for Windows.

Word 1 for OS/2 feels like a tech demo.  Too bad IBM had to be IBM, but GDI on OS/2 would have had aps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2017/11/17/installing-using-citrix-multiuser-v1-0-bochs/comment-page-1/#comment-189212">DOS</a>.</p>
<p>I used to think that, then I got Microsoft Word for Xenix.  I never did like Wordperfect, and although Word was way easier to use, it still felt terrible.  And I ran back to Word 2 for Windows.</p>
<p>Word 1 for OS/2 feels like a tech demo.  Too bad IBM had to be IBM, but GDI on OS/2 would have had aps.</p>
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		By: DOS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think DisplayWrite and Word Perfect probably had the majority of the word processing market between them (if WP didn&#039;t have it by itself), and 1-2-3 was THE spreadsheet, so they probably had many of the most important apps that you might want to run on a central server and have people doing work on serial terminals.

There have been plenty of times that I wished I had a dumb terminal, and it was someone else&#039;s job to make sure my word processor was working properly, rather than them giving me some crappy version of Windows which keeps crashing.  I suppose like most things the reality probably wasn&#039;t quite as nice as you&#039;d hope, though!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think DisplayWrite and Word Perfect probably had the majority of the word processing market between them (if WP didn&#8217;t have it by itself), and 1-2-3 was THE spreadsheet, so they probably had many of the most important apps that you might want to run on a central server and have people doing work on serial terminals.</p>
<p>There have been plenty of times that I wished I had a dumb terminal, and it was someone else&#8217;s job to make sure my word processor was working properly, rather than them giving me some crappy version of Windows which keeps crashing.  I suppose like most things the reality probably wasn&#8217;t quite as nice as you&#8217;d hope, though!</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2017 01:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2017/11/17/installing-using-citrix-multiuser-v1-0-bochs/comment-page-1/#comment-189004&quot;&gt;Richard Wells&lt;/a&gt;.

I meant to add more stuff, and re-work it before publishing it, but that&#039;s me editing late.  

I&#039;m not sure what is with the timeline though as Citrix has Multiuser 1.0 being a 1990 product, but the disk images I have say otherwise.  The manuals for 2.0 are dated 1991 although despite it being clear that they had launched after a market that basically ceased to exist overnight I don&#039;t think they really had much choice but to push forward.

The curse of Citrix is to be chasing Microsoft from the outside.  First they latch onto OS/2 1.21, then OS/2 2.0.  WinView is apparently OS/2 based + Windows.  The only review I could find complained that it can take upwards of 3+ minutes to start Windows on WinView.  But slow disks, low memory 386&#039;s don&#039;t seem all that surprising.  By not having their own software stack they really were along for the ride.  And that ride turned upside down when Microsoft renegotiated for NT 4.0 and was able to bring their tech inhouse in the form of Terminal Server.

I would imagine that PC-MOS, VM/386 and other multi-taskers/multi-user DOS solutions flourished for a while although they got in on the ground so to speak in 1987/1988 with the introduction of the 80386.  It&#039;s funny in retrospect 2-3 years later may not seem like a long time, but in this industry it can easily be the space between entire generations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2017/11/17/installing-using-citrix-multiuser-v1-0-bochs/comment-page-1/#comment-189004">Richard Wells</a>.</p>
<p>I meant to add more stuff, and re-work it before publishing it, but that&#8217;s me editing late.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what is with the timeline though as Citrix has Multiuser 1.0 being a 1990 product, but the disk images I have say otherwise.  The manuals for 2.0 are dated 1991 although despite it being clear that they had launched after a market that basically ceased to exist overnight I don&#8217;t think they really had much choice but to push forward.</p>
<p>The curse of Citrix is to be chasing Microsoft from the outside.  First they latch onto OS/2 1.21, then OS/2 2.0.  WinView is apparently OS/2 based + Windows.  The only review I could find complained that it can take upwards of 3+ minutes to start Windows on WinView.  But slow disks, low memory 386&#8217;s don&#8217;t seem all that surprising.  By not having their own software stack they really were along for the ride.  And that ride turned upside down when Microsoft renegotiated for NT 4.0 and was able to bring their tech inhouse in the form of Terminal Server.</p>
<p>I would imagine that PC-MOS, VM/386 and other multi-taskers/multi-user DOS solutions flourished for a while although they got in on the ground so to speak in 1987/1988 with the introduction of the 80386.  It&#8217;s funny in retrospect 2-3 years later may not seem like a long time, but in this industry it can easily be the space between entire generations.</p>
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		By: Richard Wells		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2017 18:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think you missed a year in the development of Windows. Windows 3 was released in mid-1990 which is considerably ahead of early 1991 when Citrix got its first version out. That was long enough for it to become clear that GUIs would move from about 25% of software sales to nearly complete domination of major application markets. 

Serial port terminals connected to a PC seems to have been a siren song that lured many a company to its fall. Citrix was fortunate that their sales goals were more modest than the competition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you missed a year in the development of Windows. Windows 3 was released in mid-1990 which is considerably ahead of early 1991 when Citrix got its first version out. That was long enough for it to become clear that GUIs would move from about 25% of software sales to nearly complete domination of major application markets. </p>
<p>Serial port terminals connected to a PC seems to have been a siren song that lured many a company to its fall. Citrix was fortunate that their sales goals were more modest than the competition.</p>
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