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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2017 03:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2017/02/28/just-upgraded-some-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-179489&quot;&gt;Cosmin&lt;/a&gt;.

100&#039;s of GB&#039;s... I mean it&#039;s crazy when you think that uncompressed a decade of usenet posts is only 10GB.  Let that sink in, it took a decade of thousands on thousands of users to type in 10GB worth of ASCII.  Now it&#039;s something trivial to store.  It&#039;s partly why I always laugh at these &#039;using windows 98 for my daily machine&#039; type posts.  If you had a middle of the line machine form 1998, it wouldn&#039;t be able to handle even the most basic tasks today, and you&#039;d find it&#039;s CPU incredibly overwhelmed with the simplest of web pages.  Just as the storage requirements for programs today is so insanely huge compared to before.  A Pentium 90, with 16MB of ram, and a 200MB disk would be &#039;nice&#039; back then, but it&#039;d be a joke.  It may as well be a Commodore 64.  But of course there is a tcpip stack for the c64, but other than simple 1970&#039;s style stuff you aren&#039;t doing anything with it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2017/02/28/just-upgraded-some-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-179489">Cosmin</a>.</p>
<p>100&#8217;s of GB&#8217;s&#8230; I mean it&#8217;s crazy when you think that uncompressed a decade of usenet posts is only 10GB.  Let that sink in, it took a decade of thousands on thousands of users to type in 10GB worth of ASCII.  Now it&#8217;s something trivial to store.  It&#8217;s partly why I always laugh at these &#8216;using windows 98 for my daily machine&#8217; type posts.  If you had a middle of the line machine form 1998, it wouldn&#8217;t be able to handle even the most basic tasks today, and you&#8217;d find it&#8217;s CPU incredibly overwhelmed with the simplest of web pages.  Just as the storage requirements for programs today is so insanely huge compared to before.  A Pentium 90, with 16MB of ram, and a 200MB disk would be &#8216;nice&#8217; back then, but it&#8217;d be a joke.  It may as well be a Commodore 64.  But of course there is a tcpip stack for the c64, but other than simple 1970&#8217;s style stuff you aren&#8217;t doing anything with it.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2017 03:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2017/02/28/just-upgraded-some-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-179447&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

First hard disk I had was a broken 3rd hand Miniscribe MS-8425.  The spindle would get stuck but if you opened it up and gave it a twirl, then applied power it&#039;d work.  The disk lasted me about 6 months, which is about 5 months longer than I had thought.  At the time I was moving away from my beloved Commodore 64, to a 10Mhz 286 with 1MB of ram, and now an awesome 20MB fixed disk.  I thought it was an incredible amount of storage, which I quickly ran out of.  Stacker saved the day, but in the end the disk died, and I upgraded to some slightly better MFM disks.  I didn&#039;t get an IDE disk until much later, and they were so incredibly fast compared to the old MFM/RLL even with 1:1 interleaving.

I didn&#039;t get 16MB of ram until 1993 or 1994.  But by then I had this monstrous CDC/Seagate Wren ST4702N 94181-702 that was 760MB SCSI!  I still had a 40MB &amp; 100MB IDE disks, which I could balance the OS on the 100, swap on the 40, and data on the SCSI.  I was lucky enough to have separate controllers for each disk, so Linux and NT didn&#039;t seem so bad.  Although I, like everyone else was already giving up on OS/2, especially with Windows NT 3.5&#039;s super easy PPP dialer, and &#039;big&#039; programs like Mosaic just working out of the box.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2017/02/28/just-upgraded-some-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-179447">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>First hard disk I had was a broken 3rd hand Miniscribe MS-8425.  The spindle would get stuck but if you opened it up and gave it a twirl, then applied power it&#8217;d work.  The disk lasted me about 6 months, which is about 5 months longer than I had thought.  At the time I was moving away from my beloved Commodore 64, to a 10Mhz 286 with 1MB of ram, and now an awesome 20MB fixed disk.  I thought it was an incredible amount of storage, which I quickly ran out of.  Stacker saved the day, but in the end the disk died, and I upgraded to some slightly better MFM disks.  I didn&#8217;t get an IDE disk until much later, and they were so incredibly fast compared to the old MFM/RLL even with 1:1 interleaving.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get 16MB of ram until 1993 or 1994.  But by then I had this monstrous CDC/Seagate Wren ST4702N 94181-702 that was 760MB SCSI!  I still had a 40MB &#038; 100MB IDE disks, which I could balance the OS on the 100, swap on the 40, and data on the SCSI.  I was lucky enough to have separate controllers for each disk, so Linux and NT didn&#8217;t seem so bad.  Although I, like everyone else was already giving up on OS/2, especially with Windows NT 3.5&#8217;s super easy PPP dialer, and &#8216;big&#8217; programs like Mosaic just working out of the box.</p>
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		By: Cosmin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember one of my HDDs, Deskstar 120GB.
I&#039;m just young at heart.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember one of my HDDs, Deskstar 120GB.<br />
I&#8217;m just young at heart.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2017 08:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2017/02/28/just-upgraded-some-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-179460&quot;&gt;infty&lt;/a&gt;.

Even used went up, it&#039;s crazy!  But ram has always been a fickle cash cow.

16mb is enough for a bare instance, I have about 86 GB available!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2017/02/28/just-upgraded-some-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-179460">infty</a>.</p>
<p>Even used went up, it&#8217;s crazy!  But ram has always been a fickle cash cow.</p>
<p>16mb is enough for a bare instance, I have about 86 GB available!</p>
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		By: infty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2017 08:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh man, I wonder how many instances of NT 4 it&#039;ll run! :D
Aren&#039;t you affected by the recently increasing RAM prices though? Or has it came back down since?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, I wonder how many instances of NT 4 it&#8217;ll run! 😀<br />
Aren&#8217;t you affected by the recently increasing RAM prices though? Or has it came back down since?</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2017 02:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At work we have those dell servers with 800GB of ram (2x28 HT cores), they cost $14k a piece (given our discount). I&#039;ve been using unix derivatives for over 25 years, then 16MB was a luxuary.

I was browsing newegg a few days ago, noticed some 4TB SSD for $1500... I think my first IDE drive was 10MB, and was really really slow.

Maybe I&#039;m just old.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At work we have those dell servers with 800GB of ram (2&#215;28 HT cores), they cost $14k a piece (given our discount). I&#8217;ve been using unix derivatives for over 25 years, then 16MB was a luxuary.</p>
<p>I was browsing newegg a few days ago, noticed some 4TB SSD for $1500&#8230; I think my first IDE drive was 10MB, and was really really slow.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just old.</p>
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