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		By: Chris M.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember when VMWare Workstation was first released and participated in the trial programs. It was nice to FINALLY have your own VM on a PC, amazing where it went from there. I might have an old copy of 2.0 somewhere too.

I also recall VMWare releasing a special trial version of Workstation that could run OS/2 with a working set of additions. They landed up not pursuing it and those additions refused to work in release copies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when VMWare Workstation was first released and participated in the trial programs. It was nice to FINALLY have your own VM on a PC, amazing where it went from there. I might have an old copy of 2.0 somewhere too.</p>
<p>I also recall VMWare releasing a special trial version of Workstation that could run OS/2 with a working set of additions. They landed up not pursuing it and those additions refused to work in release copies.</p>
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		By: DOS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DOS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t find VMWare Workstation all that nice to run on Linux, it could be painful to deal with patching their kernel modules.  KVM + virt-manager and VirtualBox are both a lot easier to run, at least under Fedora or CentOS.  Maybe I&#039;m not noticing some performance differences, but functionality wise I don&#039;t miss VMware Workstation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t find VMWare Workstation all that nice to run on Linux, it could be painful to deal with patching their kernel modules.  KVM + virt-manager and VirtualBox are both a lot easier to run, at least under Fedora or CentOS.  Maybe I&#8217;m not noticing some performance differences, but functionality wise I don&#8217;t miss VMware Workstation.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2016/01/27/end-of-the-line-for-vmware-player-workstation-and-fusion/comment-page-1/#comment-158471&quot;&gt;Alex&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow awesome!  I know no business would ever sign off on running vmware on openstack, but it&#039;s kinda funny it&#039;ll run.

And that patch is very minimal, so maybe it&#039;s something that can move forward, although the Qemu/KVM folks are kinda famous for changing everything in between seemingly minor revisions (on the outside anyways).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2016/01/27/end-of-the-line-for-vmware-player-workstation-and-fusion/comment-page-1/#comment-158471">Alex</a>.</p>
<p>Wow awesome!  I know no business would ever sign off on running vmware on openstack, but it&#8217;s kinda funny it&#8217;ll run.</p>
<p>And that patch is very minimal, so maybe it&#8217;s something that can move forward, although the Qemu/KVM folks are kinda famous for changing everything in between seemingly minor revisions (on the outside anyways).</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2016/01/27/end-of-the-line-for-vmware-player-workstation-and-fusion/comment-page-1/#comment-158463&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, KVM/QEMU supports nested hypervisors.
To get ESXi installed in KVM you need a patch for QEMU:
http://mattinaction.blogspot.com/2014/05/install-and-run-full-functional-vmware.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2016/01/27/end-of-the-line-for-vmware-player-workstation-and-fusion/comment-page-1/#comment-158463">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, KVM/QEMU supports nested hypervisors.<br />
To get ESXi installed in KVM you need a patch for QEMU:<br />
<a href="http://mattinaction.blogspot.com/2014/05/install-and-run-full-functional-vmware.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://mattinaction.blogspot.com/2014/05/install-and-run-full-functional-vmware.html</a></p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2016/01/27/end-of-the-line-for-vmware-player-workstation-and-fusion/comment-page-1/#comment-158460&quot;&gt;Alex&lt;/a&gt;.

and that is the thing, can KVM run ESX?  Can it run itself? Does it matter?

It&#039;s not good signs that is for sure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2016/01/27/end-of-the-line-for-vmware-player-workstation-and-fusion/comment-page-1/#comment-158460">Alex</a>.</p>
<p>and that is the thing, can KVM run ESX?  Can it run itself? Does it matter?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not good signs that is for sure.</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a real shame. VMWare Workstation and Fusion are fantastic products. I&#039;ve been using VMWare since 2001 and Openstack since 2011 (Bexar release).
Openstack is great but it is certainly not a replacement for the workstation products. I dare you to do an OS install on a VM using Openstack. While it is doable, there is no inherent mechanism in Openstack to spin up a blank hard disk image and then mount an ISO for install. Openstack was meant to provide curated images. These images need to be prepared in advance and then uploaded to the system. KVM with Virtual Machine Manager (the basis of Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization) will do what you expect it to, Hyper-V remains a good option if you are a Windows guy. Virtualbox? Parallels?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a real shame. VMWare Workstation and Fusion are fantastic products. I&#8217;ve been using VMWare since 2001 and Openstack since 2011 (Bexar release).<br />
Openstack is great but it is certainly not a replacement for the workstation products. I dare you to do an OS install on a VM using Openstack. While it is doable, there is no inherent mechanism in Openstack to spin up a blank hard disk image and then mount an ISO for install. Openstack was meant to provide curated images. These images need to be prepared in advance and then uploaded to the system. KVM with Virtual Machine Manager (the basis of Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization) will do what you expect it to, Hyper-V remains a good option if you are a Windows guy. Virtualbox? Parallels?</p>
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