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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 06:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2014/11/06/sheepshaver-with-pcap-support/comment-page-1/#comment-105877&quot;&gt;Peter Godwin&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess that&#039;ll explain why 7.5.3 doesn&#039;t work.

I haven&#039;t torn fully into the thing, but as far as I&#039;ve seen sheep still hooks the 68k code... I know the old world 7/8/9 was anything but pure, It was only the new world + OS X that was 100% PowerPC.

Something about the MMU prevents 9 from booting from booting on Qemu/Pear but I never looked that far into it, and I really don&#039;t know enough one way or the other on this kind of thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2014/11/06/sheepshaver-with-pcap-support/comment-page-1/#comment-105877">Peter Godwin</a>.</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;ll explain why 7.5.3 doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t torn fully into the thing, but as far as I&#8217;ve seen sheep still hooks the 68k code&#8230; I know the old world 7/8/9 was anything but pure, It was only the new world + OS X that was 100% PowerPC.</p>
<p>Something about the MMU prevents 9 from booting from booting on Qemu/Pear but I never looked that far into it, and I really don&#8217;t know enough one way or the other on this kind of thing.</p>
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		By: Peter Godwin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Godwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2014/11/06/sheepshaver-with-pcap-support/comment-page-1/#comment-105556&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

I haven&#039;t tried it out yet, but a real 9500 supports System 7.5.5 onwards. It&#039;s my understanding that most of those early system versions were still running under the 68K emulator in ROM. I have no idea however if the drivers in ROM would be 68K code or PPC. From a SCSI perspective, perhaps using an earlier System version might allow the bus to work. 

However from a virtual Mac Client perspective, there wouldn&#039;t be much point in bothering - Basilisk II can run System 7.5 just fine - and few programs from that era required a PPC.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2014/11/06/sheepshaver-with-pcap-support/comment-page-1/#comment-105556">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t tried it out yet, but a real 9500 supports System 7.5.5 onwards. It&#8217;s my understanding that most of those early system versions were still running under the 68K emulator in ROM. I have no idea however if the drivers in ROM would be 68K code or PPC. From a SCSI perspective, perhaps using an earlier System version might allow the bus to work. </p>
<p>However from a virtual Mac Client perspective, there wouldn&#8217;t be much point in bothering &#8211; Basilisk II can run System 7.5 just fine &#8211; and few programs from that era required a PPC.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2014/11/06/sheepshaver-with-pcap-support/comment-page-1/#comment-105401&quot;&gt;Howard&lt;/a&gt;.

The source has the 30 packet count thing in there, it doesn&#039;t wait 30 seconds, although it probably should..  Its the same code that I used in Basilisk II, and there you don&#039;t have to wait, the network can start right away.

You do have to run as root (su) for pcap to work, as this program not only &#039;listens&#039; on the ethernet adapter, but also injects packets.

SCSI is kind of a dream on Sheep, as only one ROM will boot from a &#039;scsi disk&#039; and once you boot, the OS doesn&#039;t recognize the adapter so nothing else will mount.  Even disk tools and the profiler won&#039;t see the SCSI stuff.  The best I can figure (I&#039;m the wrong person to ask about this kind of stuff) is that SheepShaver patches the 68000 part of things and the PowerPC side doesn&#039;t care about old outdated drivers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2014/11/06/sheepshaver-with-pcap-support/comment-page-1/#comment-105401">Howard</a>.</p>
<p>The source has the 30 packet count thing in there, it doesn&#8217;t wait 30 seconds, although it probably should..  Its the same code that I used in Basilisk II, and there you don&#8217;t have to wait, the network can start right away.</p>
<p>You do have to run as root (su) for pcap to work, as this program not only &#8216;listens&#8217; on the ethernet adapter, but also injects packets.</p>
<p>SCSI is kind of a dream on Sheep, as only one ROM will boot from a &#8216;scsi disk&#8217; and once you boot, the OS doesn&#8217;t recognize the adapter so nothing else will mount.  Even disk tools and the profiler won&#8217;t see the SCSI stuff.  The best I can figure (I&#8217;m the wrong person to ask about this kind of stuff) is that SheepShaver patches the 68000 part of things and the PowerPC side doesn&#8217;t care about old outdated drivers.</p>
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		By: Howard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi,

Thanks for your effort!
It seems the appletalk stuff suffers from the same issue as the current windows build: just after start you have to disconnect/reconnect the fysical network before you can get Appletalk running through the Basilisk ethernet driver ;-) 
Do the builds in the source tree include the 30-packet filter you mention? Is it only effective when ether pcap is set? Is there some instruction to get scsi to work or is it the same as with Basilisk? How to run ether pcap? I ran as root, but still get ethernet.c: pcap_open_live error on pcap!  (On Yosemite).

Best wishes,
Howard]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Thanks for your effort!<br />
It seems the appletalk stuff suffers from the same issue as the current windows build: just after start you have to disconnect/reconnect the fysical network before you can get Appletalk running through the Basilisk ethernet driver 😉<br />
Do the builds in the source tree include the 30-packet filter you mention? Is it only effective when ether pcap is set? Is there some instruction to get scsi to work or is it the same as with Basilisk? How to run ether pcap? I ran as root, but still get ethernet.c: pcap_open_live error on pcap!  (On Yosemite).</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Howard</p>
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