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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 08:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-330197&quot;&gt;Michael Gorden&lt;/a&gt;.

sure!

I&#039;m on the road in Newcastle at the moment so here is what I can find:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://archive.org/details/net-bsd-0.8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;NetBSD 0.8 on archive.org&lt;/a&gt;

Hopefully this gets you started on the fun path of necromancy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-330197">Michael Gorden</a>.</p>
<p>sure!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on the road in Newcastle at the moment so here is what I can find:</p>
<p><a href="https://archive.org/details/net-bsd-0.8" rel="nofollow ugc">NetBSD 0.8 on archive.org</a></p>
<p>Hopefully this gets you started on the fun path of necromancy!</p>
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		By: Michael Gorden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Gorden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 02:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, sorry for bothering. I&#039;m obsessed in building old stuffs in virtual machines these days. Now working on netbsd-0.8. Searched the internet and no luck for this particular version.
I mean source codes can be found and cvs may also be found (386bsd 0.1 + 0.2.2 patchkits ---&#062; netbsd-0.8), but the direct boot floppy disks are nowhere to be downloaded. (the link seems to be dead for now) I guess it could be the license issue that makes this version is not so popularly spreading so far.
Can you please share with me a copy of netbsd-0.8 installation tar ball? (just for leaning and hobby)
Thank you in advance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, sorry for bothering. I&#8217;m obsessed in building old stuffs in virtual machines these days. Now working on netbsd-0.8. Searched the internet and no luck for this particular version.<br />
I mean source codes can be found and cvs may also be found (386bsd 0.1 + 0.2.2 patchkits &#8212;&gt; netbsd-0.8), but the direct boot floppy disks are nowhere to be downloaded. (the link seems to be dead for now) I guess it could be the license issue that makes this version is not so popularly spreading so far.<br />
Can you please share with me a copy of netbsd-0.8 installation tar ball? (just for leaning and hobby)<br />
Thank you in advance.</p>
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		By: Michal Necasek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michal Necasek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2013 10:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-40429&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Based on the information in FAQs etc., there was quite bit on agate.berkeley.edu that appears to be lost.

Anyway, I assume you&#039;ve seen 386BSD 1.0... it was in some areas very different from 0.0/1.0 and plainly stated that it&#039;s &quot;not intended to be used on production or commercial systems&quot;. Bill Jolitz clearly had ideas about what 386BSD should be that were very different from the users&#039; wishes and expectations. Which is why FreeBSD is now at version 9 and 386BSD is not :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-40429">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Based on the information in FAQs etc., there was quite bit on agate.berkeley.edu that appears to be lost.</p>
<p>Anyway, I assume you&#8217;ve seen 386BSD 1.0&#8230; it was in some areas very different from 0.0/1.0 and plainly stated that it&#8217;s &#8220;not intended to be used on production or commercial systems&#8221;. Bill Jolitz clearly had ideas about what 386BSD should be that were very different from the users&#8217; wishes and expectations. Which is why FreeBSD is now at version 9 and 386BSD is not 🙂</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2013 00:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-40422&quot;&gt;Michal Necasek&lt;/a&gt;.

I have to wonder if it ever happened.  So much seemed to have been planed out for 386BSD that just didn&#039;t happen.  I guess the end goal was the book with 386BSD 1.0 although by the time that happened, net &#038; free were well underway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-40422">Michal Necasek</a>.</p>
<p>I have to wonder if it ever happened.  So much seemed to have been planed out for 386BSD that just didn&#8217;t happen.  I guess the end goal was the book with 386BSD 1.0 although by the time that happened, net &amp; free were well underway.</p>
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		By: Michal Necasek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michal Necasek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-40374&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, but that&#039;s just not the same :)  I&#039;m still hoping someone has archived that stuff and it&#039;ll surface one day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-40374">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, but that&#8217;s just not the same 🙂  I&#8217;m still hoping someone has archived that stuff and it&#8217;ll surface one day.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2013 03:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-40353&quot;&gt;Michal Necasek&lt;/a&gt;.

Offhand I don&#039;t know.. Although I guess you could diff net2 &amp; 386BSD 0.0 ..  I kind of did with CVSweb ....


http://unix.superglobalmegacorp.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/Net2/arch/i386/i386/conf.c]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-40353">Michal Necasek</a>.</p>
<p>Offhand I don&#8217;t know.. Although I guess you could diff net2 &#038; 386BSD 0.0 ..  I kind of did with CVSweb &#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://unix.superglobalmegacorp.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/Net2/arch/i386/i386/conf.c" rel="nofollow ugc">http://unix.superglobalmegacorp.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/Net2/arch/i386/i386/conf.c</a></p>
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		By: Michal Necasek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michal Necasek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jul 2013 09:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent. I&#039;ve been poking around the history of 386BSD/NetBSD/FreeBSD and BSD in general, so this ought to fill one gap.

Incidentally, I&#039;ve not been able to find the diffs relative to Net/2 (or whatever it was) which were supposed to come with 386BSD 0.0/0.1. Any idea where those might be hiding?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent. I&#8217;ve been poking around the history of 386BSD/NetBSD/FreeBSD and BSD in general, so this ought to fill one gap.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I&#8217;ve not been able to find the diffs relative to Net/2 (or whatever it was) which were supposed to come with 386BSD 0.0/0.1. Any idea where those might be hiding?</p>
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		By: ampharos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ampharos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-39579&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Outlook 98 is indeed great. Fixed what was wrong with 97, pretty well. If you notice through 2003, there&#039;s very little improvement in the core apps, except Outlook can do IMAP, and I do have a soft spot for InfoPath.

Also, Exchange ActiveSync is interesting to me, because it&#039;s the only well-supported cross-platform mobile sync protocol. Which is kinda sad, actually.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-39579">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Outlook 98 is indeed great. Fixed what was wrong with 97, pretty well. If you notice through 2003, there&#8217;s very little improvement in the core apps, except Outlook can do IMAP, and I do have a soft spot for InfoPath.</p>
<p>Also, Exchange ActiveSync is interesting to me, because it&#8217;s the only well-supported cross-platform mobile sync protocol. Which is kinda sad, actually.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-39578&quot;&gt;ampharos&lt;/a&gt;.

I fronted it with a linux email relay which also did a bunch of spam filtering.  Even in 1997 I wouldn&#039;t put an Exchange server directly onto the internet.. Even if the firewall simply forwarded every message in/out of the exchange server, it was just too popular (vulnerable) to attack.

But Exchange 5.5 &amp; Outlook 98 work pretty good IMHO.  Outlook 2003/Exchange 2003 were only slight improvements offering the ability for the client to connect over HTTPS, although with 2010 &amp; 2012 they have taken something that worked, and really done their best to screw it up.

Also it is kind of funny that Exchange doesn&#039;t use SQL for the backend, but rather Access MDB style databases.  God help you if you have to repair corruption, it is a game over event.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-39578">ampharos</a>.</p>
<p>I fronted it with a linux email relay which also did a bunch of spam filtering.  Even in 1997 I wouldn&#8217;t put an Exchange server directly onto the internet.. Even if the firewall simply forwarded every message in/out of the exchange server, it was just too popular (vulnerable) to attack.</p>
<p>But Exchange 5.5 &#038; Outlook 98 work pretty good IMHO.  Outlook 2003/Exchange 2003 were only slight improvements offering the ability for the client to connect over HTTPS, although with 2010 &#038; 2012 they have taken something that worked, and really done their best to screw it up.</p>
<p>Also it is kind of funny that Exchange doesn&#8217;t use SQL for the backend, but rather Access MDB style databases.  God help you if you have to repair corruption, it is a game over event.</p>
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		By: ampharos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ampharos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-39555&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

I just hope you can secure it before exposing it to the internet.

Most RDP brute forcers can&#039;t jump over the RDPv4 only hurdle when we had the NT4 TSE up, so maybe Exchange 5.5 wins security through oldness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/06/15/netbsd-0-8-archive-found/comment-page-1/#comment-39555">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>I just hope you can secure it before exposing it to the internet.</p>
<p>Most RDP brute forcers can&#8217;t jump over the RDPv4 only hurdle when we had the NT4 TSE up, so maybe Exchange 5.5 wins security through oldness.</p>
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