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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2021 10:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/02/13/virtual-acorn-virtualized-risc-os/comment-page-1/#comment-280169&quot;&gt;Gromit&lt;/a&gt;.

Xenix 386 and Windows/386 show that Microsoft easily could have done a full 32bit product but IBM got involved and screwed it all up, see the FOOTBALL beta of OS/2 1.0 and the v86 hypervisor was already there.

As for the ARM they didn’t sell those outside of the UK so they died in obscurity until the processor was freed by the death of the parent.  I too had a Newton.

As far as standards went, Taiwan set the standard. There was no Amiga or ST clone, Intel sold to anyone as did Microsoft.  The rise of the IBM compatible was inevitable.

It’s my blog, if you think I’m so clueless and ignorant fine, but there was no BBC users or machines in North America.  With the rise of DooM it shattered the conception that even games had to be assembly, let alone couldn’t succeed using dos extenders or needing a 32bit OS.  By the 1993 it was clear that Chicago and NT were going to dominate,  BSD was the only thing that could have stood up, but then that lawsuit and Linus being the right guy in the right place with the right software set it all in motion.  And even he needed persuasion to put Linux under the GPLv2.

TripOS is still lost to us, land by the time riscos was opened the market had long since left it behind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/02/13/virtual-acorn-virtualized-risc-os/comment-page-1/#comment-280169">Gromit</a>.</p>
<p>Xenix 386 and Windows/386 show that Microsoft easily could have done a full 32bit product but IBM got involved and screwed it all up, see the FOOTBALL beta of OS/2 1.0 and the v86 hypervisor was already there.</p>
<p>As for the ARM they didn’t sell those outside of the UK so they died in obscurity until the processor was freed by the death of the parent.  I too had a Newton.</p>
<p>As far as standards went, Taiwan set the standard. There was no Amiga or ST clone, Intel sold to anyone as did Microsoft.  The rise of the IBM compatible was inevitable.</p>
<p>It’s my blog, if you think I’m so clueless and ignorant fine, but there was no BBC users or machines in North America.  With the rise of DooM it shattered the conception that even games had to be assembly, let alone couldn’t succeed using dos extenders or needing a 32bit OS.  By the 1993 it was clear that Chicago and NT were going to dominate,  BSD was the only thing that could have stood up, but then that lawsuit and Linus being the right guy in the right place with the right software set it all in motion.  And even he needed persuasion to put Linux under the GPLv2.</p>
<p>TripOS is still lost to us, land by the time riscos was opened the market had long since left it behind.</p>
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		By: Gromit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gromit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2021 09:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/02/13/virtual-acorn-virtualized-risc-os/comment-page-1/#comment-33724&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Aaaggghhh! Some people are just clueless. This is so wrong, it&#039;s painful to read. For anyone reading this: The UK had pretty much every computer under the sun, Atari were an also ran, CBM were popular, as were Amstrad, Tandy, Dragon, Oric, BBC/Acorn, TI99/4A, Sinclair ZX range to name few.  Risc OS was released in 1987. Its roots go back to the early 80s and the Acorn BBC Micro. Back then many of the &#039;standards&#039; in use today we&#039;re not actually standard. MS Windows was a flimsy, single tasking veneer over single tasking MS DOS, itself a third party clone of CP/M licenced by MS. CP/M and GEM were still around and Apple&#039;s OS used a one button mouse and had no command line at all. The team that started Acorn were as innovative as Gates or Jobs ever were. They went on to design an ultra low energy, super fast, full 32 bit risc processor from scratch, a new line of computers and a bespoke OS for it. The Acorn Archimedes, using the &quot;Acorn Risc Machine&quot; chip. Acorn split off ARM and changed the name accordingly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/02/13/virtual-acorn-virtualized-risc-os/comment-page-1/#comment-33724">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>Aaaggghhh! Some people are just clueless. This is so wrong, it&#8217;s painful to read. For anyone reading this: The UK had pretty much every computer under the sun, Atari were an also ran, CBM were popular, as were Amstrad, Tandy, Dragon, Oric, BBC/Acorn, TI99/4A, Sinclair ZX range to name few.  Risc OS was released in 1987. Its roots go back to the early 80s and the Acorn BBC Micro. Back then many of the &#8216;standards&#8217; in use today we&#8217;re not actually standard. MS Windows was a flimsy, single tasking veneer over single tasking MS DOS, itself a third party clone of CP/M licenced by MS. CP/M and GEM were still around and Apple&#8217;s OS used a one button mouse and had no command line at all. The team that started Acorn were as innovative as Gates or Jobs ever were. They went on to design an ultra low energy, super fast, full 32 bit risc processor from scratch, a new line of computers and a bespoke OS for it. The Acorn Archimedes, using the &#8220;Acorn Risc Machine&#8221; chip. Acorn split off ARM and changed the name accordingly.</p>
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		By: Gromit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gromit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2021 08:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/02/13/virtual-acorn-virtualized-risc-os/comment-page-1/#comment-33759&quot;&gt;Antoni Sawicki&lt;/a&gt;.

I know this is an old blog, but to anyone reading it... the sheer ignorance and stupidity rolled in to one sentence by this guy is amazing. The ARM processors were 32 bit from the very start. Try actually looking what the &#039;26 bit&#039; refers to.]]></description>
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<p>I know this is an old blog, but to anyone reading it&#8230; the sheer ignorance and stupidity rolled in to one sentence by this guy is amazing. The ARM processors were 32 bit from the very start. Try actually looking what the &#8217;26 bit&#8217; refers to.</p>
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		By: tenox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tenox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 05:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/02/13/virtual-acorn-virtualized-risc-os/comment-page-1/#comment-33817&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Where did you buy these? :)]]></description>
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<p>Where did you buy these? 🙂</p>
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		By: Tux		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Back to IRC pl0x, we moved TSE to a VPS]]></description>
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		By: ampharos NT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ampharos NT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TSE works!]]></description>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/02/13/virtual-acorn-virtualized-risc-os/comment-page-1/#comment-33814&quot;&gt;ampharos&lt;/a&gt;.

I should get back on IRC but I&#039;m recovering from my own 2/14 pitty party.. 

the only &quot;catch&quot; I&#039;ve found is that the NT 4.0 Terminal Server needs the old client, which they stopped shipping years ago... but I kept a copy &lt;a href=&quot;http://vpsland.superglobalmegacorp.com/install/mstsc-xp.zip&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
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<p>I should get back on IRC but I&#8217;m recovering from my own 2/14 pitty party.. </p>
<p>the only &#8220;catch&#8221; I&#8217;ve found is that the NT 4.0 Terminal Server needs the old client, which they stopped shipping years ago&#8230; but I kept a copy <a href="http://vpsland.superglobalmegacorp.com/install/mstsc-xp.zip" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/02/13/virtual-acorn-virtualized-risc-os/comment-page-1/#comment-33805&quot;&gt;ampharos&lt;/a&gt;.

I bought 2 copies for $20 a pop, and a pack of 10 cals. So *legally* I can run 2 server with 20 users...!]]></description>
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<p>I bought 2 copies for $20 a pop, and a pack of 10 cals. So *legally* I can run 2 server with 20 users&#8230;!</p>
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		By: ampharos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ampharos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/02/13/virtual-acorn-virtualized-risc-os/comment-page-1/#comment-33805&quot;&gt;ampharos&lt;/a&gt;.

nvm, figured out it relies purely on goodwill licensing - MS doesn&#039;t care, right...?

If you want access though, ask on IRC - it&#039;s purely a function of my PC and the fact I leave VMware running in the background. Maybe I&#039;ll move it to a VPS, so we have NT 4 whereever.]]></description>
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<p>nvm, figured out it relies purely on goodwill licensing &#8211; MS doesn&#8217;t care, right&#8230;?</p>
<p>If you want access though, ask on IRC &#8211; it&#8217;s purely a function of my PC and the fact I leave VMware running in the background. Maybe I&#8217;ll move it to a VPS, so we have NT 4 whereever.</p>
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		By: ampharos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ampharos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/02/13/virtual-acorn-virtualized-risc-os/comment-page-1/#comment-33798&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

Try SD ;)

Also, have any idea where to get CALs (or something maybe else?) for NT TSE? I&#039;d like to get one set up for fun and profit.]]></description>
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<p>Try SD 😉</p>
<p>Also, have any idea where to get CALs (or something maybe else?) for NT TSE? I&#8217;d like to get one set up for fun and profit.</p>
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