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		By: neozeed		</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-33234</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31819&quot;&gt;Roy&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I&#039;ve even suggested to the author about SLIRP so it won&#039;t rely on winpcap ... 

Sadly this is a 2 user version of AMIX so it is very limited in those regards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31819">Roy</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve even suggested to the author about SLIRP so it won&#8217;t rely on winpcap &#8230; </p>
<p>Sadly this is a 2 user version of AMIX so it is very limited in those regards.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31922</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31901&quot;&gt;Tor&lt;/a&gt;.

I thought SUN had already made the move off of BSD .. wow kind of funny they were shopping to Commodore of all people about doing a SYSV .. 

Amiga on SPARC?

I&#039;m sure the opportunities screwed up were.. monumental.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31901">Tor</a>.</p>
<p>I thought SUN had already made the move off of BSD .. wow kind of funny they were shopping to Commodore of all people about doing a SYSV .. </p>
<p>Amiga on SPARC?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the opportunities screwed up were.. monumental.</p>
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		By: Tor		</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31901</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unix on Amiga, very interesting. It&#039;s probably as you say though, the processor targeted was a bit too late for 1991.
A small correction: Sun&#039;s OS at the time wasn&#039;t SYSV-based and wasn&#039;t called Solaris (all that happened years later), it was the BSD-based original SunOS (in Sparc version, as we know Sun had targeted 68k before 1990). My favorite Unix in 1991. SYSV-based systems were not very nice to work with back then, at least not those I had access to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unix on Amiga, very interesting. It&#8217;s probably as you say though, the processor targeted was a bit too late for 1991.<br />
A small correction: Sun&#8217;s OS at the time wasn&#8217;t SYSV-based and wasn&#8217;t called Solaris (all that happened years later), it was the BSD-based original SunOS (in Sparc version, as we know Sun had targeted 68k before 1990). My favorite Unix in 1991. SYSV-based systems were not very nice to work with back then, at least not those I had access to.</p>
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		By: ampharos		</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31845</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ampharos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31842&quot;&gt;Raijinzrael&lt;/a&gt;.

That still doesn&#039;t protect you from Basilisk patching the shit out of the ROM, so normal Mac OS doesn&#039;t talk to the non-existant floppy controllers, but rather a virtual disk pretending to be a floppy. Or the lack of an MMU. Or lack of any controllers, for that matter.

Basilisk and friends work by patching the fuck out of the ROM so it doesn&#039;t emulate hardware, it makes the OS work with it&#039;s emulated interfaces. MESS is as close as we get. Not a chance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31842">Raijinzrael</a>.</p>
<p>That still doesn&#8217;t protect you from Basilisk patching the shit out of the ROM, so normal Mac OS doesn&#8217;t talk to the non-existant floppy controllers, but rather a virtual disk pretending to be a floppy. Or the lack of an MMU. Or lack of any controllers, for that matter.</p>
<p>Basilisk and friends work by patching the fuck out of the ROM so it doesn&#8217;t emulate hardware, it makes the OS work with it&#8217;s emulated interfaces. MESS is as close as we get. Not a chance.</p>
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		By: Raijinzrael		</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31842</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raijinzrael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31808&quot;&gt;Peter Godwin&lt;/a&gt;.

BasiliskII Build 142 on windows is your friend, it can emulate a SCSI bus very well, to the extent that you can attach real and emulated SCSI devices to the emulator using the ASPI layer provided by host, and with some tunning the Mac inside the VM will recognize almost all them.

Using the built-in Win7 VHD feature and an emulated CDROM like Alcohol or WinCDEMU, you can even install MacOS to a VHD file!!!

Using TotalMounter from KernSafe and its &quot;RAW-HDD&quot; emulation feature, you even can get a dd-able image that can be applied to a real Mac HDD to make it bootable. All that verified by me.

Since AU/X comes with a bootable CD, the only thing that is need by the OS and basilisk lacks really is the 68k MMU. On this sort maybe &quot;Previous&quot;, or MESS can do a better job that Basilisk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31808">Peter Godwin</a>.</p>
<p>BasiliskII Build 142 on windows is your friend, it can emulate a SCSI bus very well, to the extent that you can attach real and emulated SCSI devices to the emulator using the ASPI layer provided by host, and with some tunning the Mac inside the VM will recognize almost all them.</p>
<p>Using the built-in Win7 VHD feature and an emulated CDROM like Alcohol or WinCDEMU, you can even install MacOS to a VHD file!!!</p>
<p>Using TotalMounter from KernSafe and its &#8220;RAW-HDD&#8221; emulation feature, you even can get a dd-able image that can be applied to a real Mac HDD to make it bootable. All that verified by me.</p>
<p>Since AU/X comes with a bootable CD, the only thing that is need by the OS and basilisk lacks really is the 68k MMU. On this sort maybe &#8220;Previous&#8221;, or MESS can do a better job that Basilisk.</p>
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		By: Roy		</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31819</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did you get winuae networking working?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you get winuae networking working?</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31816</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31811&quot;&gt;Antoni Sawicki&lt;/a&gt;.

it was rather touchy to get installed and it could kill itself without too much provocation.. 

I want to say going from a 4GB CF card to a 1GB or 500MB helped a bunch.. 

A/UX is more like Xenix than like System 6, it wants to live in a small house.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31811">Antoni Sawicki</a>.</p>
<p>it was rather touchy to get installed and it could kill itself without too much provocation.. </p>
<p>I want to say going from a 4GB CF card to a 1GB or 500MB helped a bunch.. </p>
<p>A/UX is more like Xenix than like System 6, it wants to live in a small house.</p>
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		By: Antoni Sawicki		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antoni Sawicki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 01:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31800&quot;&gt;neozeed&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m getting errors and freezes on this. Maybe I will try another make / model.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31800">neozeed</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting errors and freezes on this. Maybe I will try another make / model.</p>
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		By: Peter Godwin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Godwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31799&quot;&gt;Antoni Sawicki&lt;/a&gt;.

The current Mac emulators do not fully emulate SCSI. Both Mini vMac and Basilisk II patch the ROM for floppy, hard disk, etc.  Nor do they emulate the MMU, preventing AU/X from booting (as well as the lack of hardware)

However the Mac emulation in MESS has come along way. I&#039;m not sure if it can boot AU/X yet, but it certainly is emulating the floppy controller varients and SCSI, as well as various graphics and sound chips, rather than just patching the ROM.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31799">Antoni Sawicki</a>.</p>
<p>The current Mac emulators do not fully emulate SCSI. Both Mini vMac and Basilisk II patch the ROM for floppy, hard disk, etc.  Nor do they emulate the MMU, preventing AU/X from booting (as well as the lack of hardware)</p>
<p>However the Mac emulation in MESS has come along way. I&#8217;m not sure if it can boot AU/X yet, but it certainly is emulating the floppy controller varients and SCSI, as well as various graphics and sound chips, rather than just patching the ROM.</p>
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		By: neozeed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neozeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31799&quot;&gt;Antoni Sawicki&lt;/a&gt;.

years ago I ran it from CF .. using one of those CF 2 IDE then an IDE to SCSI bridge...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://virtuallyfun.com/2013/01/13/amix/comment-page-1/#comment-31799">Antoni Sawicki</a>.</p>
<p>years ago I ran it from CF .. using one of those CF 2 IDE then an IDE to SCSI bridge&#8230;</p>
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